Motif

Is Motif dead? Thanks!

Re: Motif

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, nyetsky wrote:

> Is Motif dead? Thanks!

Not yet. What makes you ask?

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Grossly Illegal Sig [was: Re: Motif]

Rich Teer wrote:

[snip]

The limit for sigs is 4 lines.

They are supposed to be sigs, not bulletin boards.

Get out of our faces with your selfish commercial, asshole.

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Re: Grossly Illegal Sig [was: Re: Motif]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:02 +0000, Jeff Cochran wrote:

> Get out of our faces with your selfish commercial, asshole.

FOOOONG, wintroll.

Re: Motif

Doesn't SCO openserver still default to it?

RAS

nyetsky wrote:
> Is Motif dead? Thanks!

Re: Motif

Richard Santink writes:

>Doesn't SCO openserver still default to it?

I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.

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Re: Motif

In article ,
Chris McDonald writes:
>
> I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.

Good grief no!
IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.

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Re: Motif

Richard Santink wrote:

I believe most commericial unices ship with it. Solaris does, I
know, and I believe AIX still does as well. Shoot, until Solaris
9, CDE was the *new* window manager--you still got OpenLook as
your alternative (ick). Wasn't till 9 that you got Gnome shipped
as the successor to CDE and OpenLook was dropped.

> Doesn't SCO openserver still default to it?
>
> RAS
>
> nyetsky wrote:
>> Is Motif dead? Thanks!

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Re: Motif

andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes:

>In article ,
> Chris McDonald writes:
>>
>> I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.

>Good grief no!
>IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
>into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
>it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.

I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
I think I read about it and some court case or something.

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Re: Grossly Illegal Sig [was: Re: Motif]

In article ,
Jeff Cochran wrote:

> Rich Teer wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> The limit for sigs is 4 lines.
>
> They are supposed to be sigs, not bulletin boards.
>
> Get out of our faces with your selfish commercial, asshole.
>
> Score: 777 = Don't read post but post this message whenever
> illegal sig is spotted.
>
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>
> For general sorts of information about the Usenet:
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>
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> the section marked 'Some Basics You Need to Know.'
>
> http://www.newsreaders.com/guide/netiquette.html
> http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nnqlinks.html#know
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Re: Motif

Chris McDonald wrote:
> I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
> I think I read about it and some court case or something.
>

:-D

Re: Motif

Chris McDonald wrote:
> I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
> I think I read about it and some court case or something.
>

ROTFL - brilliant!

Re: Motif

In comp.unix.solaris Chris McDonald wrote:
> I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
> I think I read about it and some court case or something.

You're thinking of Al Gore. He invented all of them.

Scott

Re: Motif

LOL... then again SCO believes a lot of interesting things now, don't they!

RAS (by the way, if you have my initials 'ras' anywhere in your name,
you are violating patents, and copyright. I will sue.

;()

RAS

Beardy wrote:
> Chris McDonald wrote:
>
>> I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
>> I think I read about it and some court case or something.
>>
>
> ROTFL - brilliant!
>

Re: Motif

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> In article ,
> Chris McDonald writes:
>
>>I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.
>
>
> Good grief no!
> IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
> into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
> it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.
>
Whether it's 'open' is ... open! to debate. The license has some severe
restrictions - mostly that it is forbidden to build openmotif from
sources on a non-free OS. Which prevents cygwin from shipping motif.


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Re: Motif

In article ,
Michel Bardiaux writes:
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Chris McDonald writes:
>>
>>>I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.
>>
>>
>> Good grief no!
>> IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
>> into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
>> it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.
>>
> Whether it's 'open' is ... open! to debate. The license has some severe
> restrictions - mostly that it is forbidden to build openmotif from
> sources on a non-free OS. Which prevents cygwin from shipping motif.

It's an open standard. Anyone can build a Motif look and feel
without someone else claiming you stole their idea, and the
interfaces (GUI and programming API) are published for this purpose.
(At least, I think this is the case -- probably some 10 years since
I looked at the specs, so check before devoting the next 10 years
of your life to such a task.)

There's more than one implementation of Motif (that was the intent
in making it open). Different implementations probably have different
licencing conditions. If you don't like any of them, I believe you
are free to write your own implementation based on the standard (or
not if you so choose).

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Re: Motif

Richard Santink wrote:
> LOL... then again SCO believes a lot of interesting things now, don't they!
>
> RAS (by the way, if you have my initials 'ras' anywhere in your name,
> you are violating patents, and copyright. I will sue.

I think that "Row Address Select" as part of the refreshing of Dynamic
RAM probably pre-dated you ;-)

Re: Motif

On 2004-09-13, Scott Howard wrote:
> In comp.unix.solaris Chris McDonald wrote:
>> I heard that SCO actually invented DEC, HP, and X/Open.
>> I think I read about it and some court case or something.
>
> You're thinking of Al Gore. He invented all of them.

Yes. Inventing gets you into politics. What is more important is who
patented them. (I wonder if sue corp. can show prior art on that.)


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Re: Motif

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>In article ,
> Chris McDonald writes:
>>
>> I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.
>
>Good grief no!
>IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
>into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
>it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.

As I recall, Motif was contributed to OSF (the Open Software
Foundation, one half of the UNIX wars). OSF charged a licensing fee
for binaries (including libraries (dynamically linked software shipped
without libraries was OK to ship without a MOTIF license, statically
linked wasn't)) and sources. At least initially the documentation was
particularly bad, and it was cheaper to regularly buy source licenses
(so that you could see what the code actually did) than to pay for
support (who told you to read the documentation).

When the UNIX wars finally cooled down OSF merged with X/Open to form
The Open Group.

One of the casualties of all this was OpenLook. Early versions of
Open Windows were performance pigs, but OpenLook is a nice window
manager (and X11 toolkit).

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Re: Motif

In article ,
reynolds@panix.com (Brian Reynolds) writes:
> In article ,
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>In article ,
>> Chris McDonald writes:
>>>
>>> I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.
>>
>>Good grief no!
>>IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
>>into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
>>it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.
>
> As I recall, Motif was contributed to OSF (the Open Software
> Foundation, one half of the UNIX wars). OSF charged a licensing fee
> for binaries (including libraries (dynamically linked software shipped
> without libraries was OK to ship without a MOTIF license, statically
> linked wasn't)) and sources. At least initially the documentation was
> particularly bad, and it was cheaper to regularly buy source licenses
> (so that you could see what the code actually did) than to pay for
> support (who told you to read the documentation).
>
> When the UNIX wars finally cooled down OSF merged with X/Open to form
> The Open Group.
>
> One of the casualties of all this was OpenLook. Early versions of
> Open Windows were performance pigs, but OpenLook is a nice window
> manager (and X11 toolkit).

And a cool puppy that got orphaned was MoOLIT, which (IIRC) had an OLIT
API but could have user-selectable Open Look or Motif look&feel. Last I
heard (years ago) mjm.com held the license and still offered it but wasn't
looking to market it at all.

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Re: Motif

In article ,
reynolds@panix.com (Brian Reynolds) writes:
> In article ,
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>>In article ,
>> Chris McDonald writes:
>>>
>>> I heard that SCO actually invented Motif.
>>
>>Good grief no!
>>IIRC, it was DEC and HP, but quickly transferred
>>into X/Open (now called The Open Group) to make
>>it clear it was open to all and not proprietry.
>
> As I recall, Motif was contributed to OSF (the Open Software
> Foundation, one half of the UNIX wars). OSF charged a licensing fee
> for binaries (including libraries (dynamically linked software shipped
> without libraries was OK to ship without a MOTIF license, statically
> linked wasn't)) and sources. At least initially the documentation was
> particularly bad, and it was cheaper to regularly buy source licenses
> (so that you could see what the code actually did) than to pay for
> support (who told you to read the documentation).
>
> When the UNIX wars finally cooled down OSF merged with X/Open to form
> The Open Group.
>
> One of the casualties of all this was OpenLook. Early versions of
> Open Windows were performance pigs, but OpenLook is a nice window
> manager (and X11 toolkit).

Yes, this all sounds right. It also stirred a slight recollection
that one of the conditions Sun put down on coming into the group
was that it had to be an open standard, so maybe it wasn't before
that?

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Andrew Gabriel
Consultant Software Engineer

Re: Motif

probably... :)


"Beardy" wrote in message
news:4145cb7b$0$14527$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> Richard Santink wrote:
> > LOL... then again SCO believes a lot of interesting things now, don't
they!
> >
> > RAS (by the way, if you have my initials 'ras' anywhere in your name,
> > you are violating patents, and copyright. I will sue.
>
> I think that "Row Address Select" as part of the refreshing of Dynamic
> RAM probably pre-dated you ;-)
>

Re: Motif

Richard Santink wrote:
> "Beardy" wrote in message
> news:4145cb7b$0$14527$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>
>>Richard Santink wrote:
>>
>>>LOL... then again SCO believes a lot of interesting things now, don't
>
> they!
>
>>>RAS (by the way, if you have my initials 'ras' anywhere in your name,
>>>you are violating patents, and copyright. I will sue.
>>
>>I think that "Row Address Select" as part of the refreshing of Dynamic
>>RAM probably pre-dated you ;-)
>>
> probably... :)
>
>

RAS, go on... please stop top-posting. c.u.s. prefers mid or bottom ;-)

Re: Motif

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>In article ,
> reynolds@panix.com (Brian Reynolds) writes:
[snip]
>> As I recall, Motif was contributed to OSF (the Open Software
>> Foundation, one half of the UNIX wars). OSF charged a licensing
>> fee for binaries (including libraries (dynamically linked software
>> shipped without libraries was OK to ship without a MOTIF license,
>> statically linked wasn't)) and sources. At least initially the
>> documentation was particularly bad, and it was cheaper to regularly
>> buy source licenses (so that you could see what the code actually
>> did) than to pay for support (who told you to read the
>> documentation).
[snip]
>Yes, this all sounds right. It also stirred a slight recollection
>that one of the conditions Sun put down on coming into the group
>was that it had to be an open standard, so maybe it wasn't before
>that?

I'm not sure. At the time when this was relevant I either worked for
companies that had officially blest OSF Motif sources, or used the
version that Sun eventually shipped.

I don't remember the timing of the start of the lesstif project.

I do recall HP being sued by Microsoft because the precursor to Motif
was deemed to be too close in lok and feel to MS Windows.

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Re: Motif

nyetsky wrote:
> Is Motif dead? Thanks!


Yes.. just like:

1. The mainframe
2. Cobol
3. BSD
4. Paul McCartney
5. That dog-thing from episode 5

Re: Motif

>> Is Motif dead? Thanks!
>
> Yes.. just like:
>

> 4. Paul McCartney

Nope. That was a hoax. It's quite an interesting urban legend which
turns up hundreds of results on Google. For anyone who's bored, there's
a very thorough discussion at the site below:

http://www.recmusicbeatles.com/public/files/faqs/pid.html

Maybe the death of Motif is an urban legend too? Who knows? :-)

Chris

Re: Motif

Christopher Tidy wrote:
>>> Is Motif dead? Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Yes.. just like:
>>
>
>
>> 4. Paul McCartney
>
>
> Nope. That was a hoax.

....snip...

:) Nope. That was a joke. I guess humor died just before Motif!

Re: Motif

On 2004-09-20, Chris Cox wrote:
> Christopher Tidy wrote:
>>>> Is Motif dead? Thanks!
>>>
>>> Yes.. just like:
>>
>>> 4. Paul McCartney
>>
>> Nope. That was a hoax.
>
> ...snip...
>
>:) Nope. That was a joke. I guess humor died just before Motif!

Well, if motif is dead maybe we can resurrect humor?


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