Hi All,

Is it just me or have others received bounces from replies to this
list recently? I have had 3 in the last 24 hours that look like this:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at la.mx.develooper.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<beginners [at] perl.org>:
This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6)

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I suspect this might be because I recently changed my email address
domain from googlemail.com to gmail. I can't now un-subscribe because
the mailer program will not recognise my new address if I send an
email to "beginners-unsubscribe [at] perl.org" and there not longer seems
to be an admin page for the list.

Any thoughts?
Dp.

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A basic concept:

For people the address of foo [at] gmail.com and foo [at] googlemail.com are the same one.
But for the list admin program they are really two different ones.

Also people may know that something like foo [at] aol.com and foo [at] aim.com,
bar [at] netzero.com and bar [at] netzero.net are the alias to each other.
But for mailing list daemon program, they are not smart enough to know
that they are the same stuff.
So you should have the need to re-subscribe to the list using your
email address with the new TLD.

Regards.


2010/7/21 Dermot <paikkos [at] gmail.com>:

>
> I suspect this might be because I recently changed my email address
> domain from googlemail.com to gmail. I can't now un-subscribe because
> the mailer program will not recognise my new address if I send an
> email to "beginners-unsubscribe [at] perl.org" and there not longer seems
> to be an admin page for the list.
>



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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Dermot <paikkos [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect this might be because I recently changed my email address
> domain from googlemail.com to gmail. I can't now un-subscribe because
> the mailer program will not recognise my new address if I send an
> email to "beginners-unsubscribe [at] perl.org" and there not longer seems
> to be an admin page for the list.

You can specify which E-mail address to subscribe or unsubscribe if
you aren't sending the request from the same address.

http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#1.2%20%20how%20do%2 0i%20unsubscribe

If you want to unsubscribe paikkos [at] googlemail.com then you would send
an E-mail to the following address:

beginners-unsubscribe-paikkos=googlemail.com [at] perl.org

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n 22 July 2010 18:05, Brandon McCaig <bamccaig [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Dermot <paikkos [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suspect this might be because I recently changed my email address
>> domain from googlemail.com to gmail. I can't now un-subscribe because
>> the mailer program will not recognise my new address if I send an
>> email to "beginners-unsubscribe [at] perl.org" and there not longer seems
>> to be an admin page for the list.
>
> You can specify which E-mail address to subscribe or unsubscribe if
> you aren't sending the request from the same address.
>
> http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#1.2%20%20how%20do%2 0i%20unsubscribe

Ah, that did it.
Thanx,
Dp.

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On 22 July 2010 01:38, Jeff Pang <pangj [at] arcor.de> wrote:
> A basic concept:
>
> For people the address of foo [at] gmail.com and foo [at] googlemail.com are the same one.
> But for the list admin program they are really two different ones.
>
> Also people may know that something like foo [at] aol.com and foo [at] aim.com,
> bar [at] netzero.com and bar [at] netzero.net are the alias to each other.
> But for mailing list daemon program, they are not smart enough to know
> that they are the same stuff.

> So you should have the need to re-subscribe to the list using your
> email address with the new TLD.

The problem with that solution is I would receive each message twice
since I can't un-subscribe my old address. When I try to un-subscribe
it says:

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
beginners [at] perl.org mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at beginners-owner [at] perl.org.

I'm sorry, I've been unable to carry out your request,
since the address

foo [at] gmail.com

was not on the beginners mailing list when I received
your request and is not a subscriber of this list.


So I hope someone is picking up the beginners-owner [at] perl.org emails.

Thanx,
Dp.

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