Using FP 2003 SP3 - I've looked in Help and it doesn't and I've
searched on line without finding any thing useful. So my question is:

How or where can I change the width of top and bottom shared borders? I
want to restrict the width of my pages to 970px but the top and bottom
shared borders are (by default?) 1200px wide.

Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change that)
- you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
- or use include pages instead of shared borders

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"Malcolm Walker" <mewalker [at] uwclub.net> wrote in message news:OO2$f5xVIHA.5164 [at] TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Using FP 2003 SP3 - I've looked in Help and it doesn't and I've
| searched on line without finding any thing useful. So my question is:
|
| How or where can I change the width of top and bottom shared borders? I
| want to restrict the width of my pages to 970px but the top and bottom
| shared borders are (by default?) 1200px wide.
|

Stefan,
Thank you for your response but I remain confused. If a shared border
has a fixed width of 100% it must be 100% of something definite. So my
question remains as to how I change whatever it is in FP that determines
that top and bottom shared borders are (approximately) 1200px wide. I
am taking this width from the solid outline that in design view appears
when I click in a shared border.

I have added content in a table at 970px wide but doing so doesn't
affect the width of the top and bottom shared borders.

I have over 300 pages to tame and I am looking for a `band aid' prior to
a major reconstruction of the site using CSS and includes.

Stefan B Rusynko wrote:
> Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change that)
> - you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
> - or use include pages instead of shared borders
>
>

It's 100% of the browser portal width. This is NOT fixed, since browser
widths are easily changed.

In Design View, it is the width of the design pane, or the page width
setting (FP2003). However, the width will change as the design pane or
browser width changes.
If the browser portal is opened at 1200px, then the top border will be
1200px wide (less whatever space browser chrome and scroll bar use).

Your solution, as Stefan said, is to drop the shared borders and use
Include files instead. Includes can be placed anywhere on the page, and
you can set fixed dimensions - place the included file in a fixed size
container (table cell, for example). A DWT (Dynamic Web Template) is a
good alternative to includes.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




"mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
news:#R05$h2VIHA.5984 [at] TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Stefan,
> Thank you for your response but I remain confused. If a shared border
> has a fixed width of 100% it must be 100% of something definite. So my
> question remains as to how I change whatever it is in FP that determines
> that top and bottom shared borders are (approximately) 1200px wide. I
> am taking this width from the solid outline that in design view appears
> when I click in a shared border.
>
> I have added content in a table at 970px wide but doing so doesn't
> affect the width of the top and bottom shared borders.
>
> I have over 300 pages to tame and I am looking for a `band aid' prior to
> a major reconstruction of the site using CSS and includes.
>
> Stefan B Rusynko wrote:
> > Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change that)
> > - you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
> > - or use include pages instead of shared borders
> >
> >

Thank you Ron - I geddit!

Yes I will be using includes on the basis that as I am moving the
maintenance of the site to Dreamweaver they will be a better option than
DWTs as in Dreamweaver I am thinking of Server Side Includes.

I would appreciate comment on my intentions - good, bad or indifferent
please!

Malcolm

Ronx wrote:
> It's 100% of the browser portal width. This is NOT fixed, since
> browser widths are easily changed.
>
> In Design View, it is the width of the design pane, or the page width
> setting (FP2003). However, the width will change as the design pane
> or browser width changes.
> If the browser portal is opened at 1200px, then the top border will be
> 1200px wide (less whatever space browser chrome and scroll bar use).
>
> Your solution, as Stefan said, is to drop the shared borders and use
> Include files instead. Includes can be placed anywhere on the page,
> and you can set fixed dimensions - place the included file in a fixed
> size container (table cell, for example). A DWT (Dynamic Web
> Template) is a good alternative to includes.
> --
> Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>
> "mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
> news:#R05$h2VIHA.5984 [at] TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>> Stefan,
>> Thank you for your response but I remain confused. If a shared border
>> has a fixed width of 100% it must be 100% of something definite. So my
>> question remains as to how I change whatever it is in FP that determines
>> that top and bottom shared borders are (approximately) 1200px wide. I
>> am taking this width from the solid outline that in design view appears
>> when I click in a shared border.
>>
>> I have added content in a table at 970px wide but doing so doesn't
>> affect the width of the top and bottom shared borders.
>>
>> I have over 300 pages to tame and I am looking for a `band aid' prior to
>> a major reconstruction of the site using CSS and includes.
>>
>> Stefan B Rusynko wrote:
>> > Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change that)
>> > - you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
>> > - or use include pages instead of shared borders
>> >
>> >
>

As far as I know Dreamweaver can use FrontPage DWTs, and server side
includes can be used within a DWT. Losing the shared borders is a good
idea whatever program you are moving to.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




"mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
news:uF9$Yv6VIHA.4196 [at] TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Thank you Ron - I geddit!
>
> Yes I will be using includes on the basis that as I am moving the
> maintenance of the site to Dreamweaver they will be a better option than
> DWTs as in Dreamweaver I am thinking of Server Side Includes.
>
> I would appreciate comment on my intentions - good, bad or indifferent
> please!
>
> Malcolm
>
> Ronx wrote:
> > It's 100% of the browser portal width. This is NOT fixed, since
> > browser widths are easily changed.
> >
> > In Design View, it is the width of the design pane, or the page width
> > setting (FP2003). However, the width will change as the design pane
> > or browser width changes.
> > If the browser portal is opened at 1200px, then the top border will be
> > 1200px wide (less whatever space browser chrome and scroll bar use).
> >
> > Your solution, as Stefan said, is to drop the shared borders and use
> > Include files instead. Includes can be placed anywhere on the page,
> > and you can set fixed dimensions - place the included file in a fixed
> > size container (table cell, for example). A DWT (Dynamic Web
> > Template) is a good alternative to includes.
> > --
> > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
> >
> > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
> >
> > "mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
> > news:#R05$h2VIHA.5984 [at] TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
> >
> >> Stefan,
> >> Thank you for your response but I remain confused. If a shared border
> >> has a fixed width of 100% it must be 100% of something definite. So my
> >> question remains as to how I change whatever it is in FP that determines
> >> that top and bottom shared borders are (approximately) 1200px wide. I
> >> am taking this width from the solid outline that in design view appears
> >> when I click in a shared border.
> >>
> >> I have added content in a table at 970px wide but doing so doesn't
> >> affect the width of the top and bottom shared borders.
> >>
> >> I have over 300 pages to tame and I am looking for a `band aid' prior to
> >> a major reconstruction of the site using CSS and includes.
> >>
> >> Stefan B Rusynko wrote:
> >> > Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change that)
> >> > - you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
> >> > - or use include pages instead of shared borders
> >> >
> >> >
> >

Thank you - DWTs it will be!

Ronx wrote:
> As far as I know Dreamweaver can use FrontPage DWTs, and server side
> includes can be used within a DWT. Losing the shared borders is a
> good idea whatever program you are moving to.
> --
> Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>
>
>
>
> "mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
> news:uF9$Yv6VIHA.4196 [at] TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
>> Thank you Ron - I geddit!
>>
>> Yes I will be using includes on the basis that as I am moving the
>> maintenance of the site to Dreamweaver they will be a better option than
>> DWTs as in Dreamweaver I am thinking of Server Side Includes.
>>
>> I would appreciate comment on my intentions - good, bad or indifferent
>> please!
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>> Ronx wrote:
>> > It's 100% of the browser portal width. This is NOT fixed, since
>> > browser widths are easily changed.
>> >
>> > In Design View, it is the width of the design pane, or the page width
>> > setting (FP2003). However, the width will change as the design pane
>> > or browser width changes.
>> > If the browser portal is opened at 1200px, then the top border will be
>> > 1200px wide (less whatever space browser chrome and scroll bar use).
>> >
>> > Your solution, as Stefan said, is to drop the shared borders and use
>> > Include files instead. Includes can be placed anywhere on the page,
>> > and you can set fixed dimensions - place the included file in a fixed
>> > size container (table cell, for example). A DWT (Dynamic Web
>> > Template) is a good alternative to includes.
>> > --
>> > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
>> > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>> >
>> > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>> >
>> > "mewalker at uwclub net" <mewalker at uwclub net> wrote in message
>> > news:#R05$h2VIHA.5984 [at] TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>> >
>> >> Stefan,
>> >> Thank you for your response but I remain confused. If a shared
>> border
>> >> has a fixed width of 100% it must be 100% of something definite.
>> So my
>> >> question remains as to how I change whatever it is in FP that
>> determines
>> >> that top and bottom shared borders are (approximately) 1200px
>> wide. I
>> >> am taking this width from the solid outline that in design view
>> appears
>> >> when I click in a shared border.
>> >>
>> >> I have added content in a table at 970px wide but doing so doesn't
>> >> affect the width of the top and bottom shared borders.
>> >>
>> >> I have over 300 pages to tame and I am looking for a `band aid'
>> prior to
>> >> a major reconstruction of the site using CSS and includes.
>> >>
>> >> Stefan B Rusynko wrote:
>> >> > Top/Bottom shared borders are always 100% wide (you can't change
>> that)
>> >> > - you can add your content in them in a 970 px wide tables
>> >> > - or use include pages instead of shared borders
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>