Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic

Apparently even the mail servers that Ebay runs have been designed, managed
and/or coded by morons.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:41:05 -0700, Scott Grayban wrote:

> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting
> commands from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting
> traffic
>
> Apparently even the mail servers that Ebay runs have been designed,
> managed and/or coded by morons.

Neither do they queue and retransmit temporarily undeliverable messages.
Can anyone say RFC2821?

Dave Uhring wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:41:05 -0700, Scott Grayban wrote:
>
>> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting
>> commands from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting
>> traffic
>>
>> Apparently even the mail servers that Ebay runs have been designed,
>> managed and/or coded by morons.
>
> Neither do they queue and retransmit temporarily undeliverable messages.
> Can anyone say RFC2821?

A new RFC should be drafted up for crap likes this... RFCmoron, that way we
can just point the offenders to one general location.

On 09/25/07 10:07, Scott Grayban wrote:
> A new RFC should be drafted up for crap likes this... RFCmoron, that way we
> can just point the offenders to one general location.

I second (third and even fourth) that idea!



Grant. . . .

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:

> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic

I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?


--

Cheers
Res

Res wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>
>> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
>> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
>
> I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
> and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
> didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
> limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?
>
>

FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl

A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?

F**king morons.

On 9/25/2007 7:38 PM, Scott Grayban wrote:
> FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl
>
> A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?

Um, either you hit an extra 0 or you missed one (1000ms or 10 sec).



Grant. . . .

In article <46f9aa06$0$502$815e3792 [at] news.qwest.net>,
Scott Grayban <sgrayban [at] NOSPAM-gmail.com> wrote:

> Res wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
> >
> >> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
> >> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
> >
> > I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
> > and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
> > didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
> > limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?
> >
> >
>
> FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl
>
> A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?
>
> F**king morons.

I bet they can divide by 1000 better than you...

--
Now where did I hide that website...

In article <46f91e02$0$496$815e3792 [at] news.qwest.net>,
Scott Grayban <sgrayban [at] NOSPAM-gmail.com> wrote:

> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
>
> Apparently even the mail servers that Ebay runs have been designed, managed
> and/or coded by morons.

It isn't an excuse for this misbehavior, but it is good to understand
that Sendmail doesn't describe this perfectly. Many sites[0] execute
their banner timeout by sending a 'QUIT' before dropping the connection.
So what you are seeing is not quite the same thing as GreetPause was
built to catch (i.e. spambots that just start pushing their commands
without looking for the banner.)

Others with short banner waits include MessageLabs, IBM, Apple and
others. 3 weeks of watching for clear FP's for GreetPause set to 5
seconds got me this bunch in my access map:

GreetPause:129.9 0
GreetPause:141.113.102 0
GreetPause:167.219.4 0
GreetPause:17.250 0
GreetPause:170.224.103 0
GreetPause:192.85.154 0
GreetPause:194.114.62 0
GreetPause:20.137.52 0
GreetPause:200.186.96.102 0
GreetPause:204.56.112 0
GreetPause:204.9.85 0
GreetPause:206.132.3 0
GreetPause:206.47.199 0
GreetPause:207.130.95 0
GreetPause:207.251.96 0
GreetPause:207.97.245 0
GreetPause:216.157.255 0
GreetPause:216.208.176 0
GreetPause:216.82.240 0
GreetPause:216.82.241 0
GreetPause:216.82.242 0
GreetPause:216.82.243 0
GreetPause:216.82.244 0
GreetPause:216.82.245 0
GreetPause:216.82.246 0
GreetPause:216.82.247 0
GreetPause:216.82.248 0
GreetPause:216.82.249 0
GreetPause:216.82.250 0
GreetPause:216.82.251 0
GreetPause:216.82.252 0
GreetPause:216.82.253 0
GreetPause:216.82.254 0
GreetPause:216.82.255 0
GreetPause:32.97.182 0
GreetPause:64.18.3 0
GreetPause:65.54.246 0
GreetPause:66.179.234 0
GreetPause:67.131.29 0
GreetPause:69.17.117 0

(note that this was drawn from a site where losing all of Ebay's mail
would not necessarily be bad.)


[0] particularly ones running qmail derivatives, so perhaps
'megalomaniacal nutcase' is a better descriptive than 'moron'...

--
Now where did I hide that website...

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:

> Res wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>>
>>> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
>>> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
>>
>> I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
>> and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
>> didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
>> limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?
>>
>>
>
> FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl
>
> A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?
>
> F**king morons.

er 10000 is 10 seconds :)
But it does seem strange, Ebay honours greet pauses of 5 here, unless
one server in their farm has lost the plot, its the only reason I can
think of, becasue otherwise they honour it or they dont, not play selective
honouring.

What does maillog show as the time it rejected it after?



--

Cheers
Res

Res wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>
>> Res wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
>>>> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
>>> I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
>>> and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
>>> didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
>>> limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?
>>>
>>>
>> FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl
>>
>> A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?
>>
>> F**king morons.
>
> er 10000 is 10 seconds :)
> But it does seem strange, Ebay honours greet pauses of 5 here, unless
> one server in their farm has lost the plot, its the only reason I can
> think of, becasue otherwise they honour it or they dont, not play selective
> honouring.
>
> What does maillog show as the time it rejected it after?
>

You're all right -- I added a extra 0 in there but still Ebay should honour
the greet pause no matter what.

Res wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>
>> Res wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Scott Grayban wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sep 25 14:35:49 xxxx.net sm-mta[18343]: l8PEZdRo018343: rejecting commands
>>>> from mxpool15.ebay.com [66.135.197.21] due to pre-greeting traffic
>>> I run 5 seconds and have never had a missed email from Ebay personally,
>>> and the amount of whiners I have on here I'd know pretty quick if they
>>> didn't get any reminders or results or query emails from Ebay, what time
>>> limit have you got set and at what interval is your MTA dumping them?
>>>
>>>
>> FEATURE(`greet_pause', `10000')dnl
>>
>> A 1 second greet pause and Ebay can't obey that?
>>
>> F**king morons.
>
> er 10000 is 10 seconds :)
> But it does seem strange, Ebay honours greet pauses of 5 here, unless
> one server in their farm has lost the plot, its the only reason I can
> think of, becasue otherwise they honour it or they dont, not play selective
> honouring.
>
> What does maillog show as the time it rejected it after?
>
>
>

As for the actual time between rejection and connection it was 1 second.

On 09/25/07 21:52, Scott Grayban wrote:
> You're all right -- I added a extra 0 in there but still Ebay should
> honour the greet pause no matter what.

Quick question. Have you sent an email to postmaster [at] ebay.com inquiring
about what you are witnessing? It has been my experience that if I send
a nice polite message indicating that I'm perceiving a problem receiving
email from a given domain and that I'd like something between an
explanation to help figuring out why, most postmasters will take the few
minutes to drink a cup of coffee and at least reply to try to point me
in the right direction. I'd be willing to bet that ebay would be no
different seeing as how they have a vested interest in getting their
email to as many people as possible.



Grant. . . .

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:18:01 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:

> Quick question. Have you sent an email to postmaster [at] ebay.com inquiring
> about what you are witnessing?

When their servers were down a couple of months ago I sent postmaster [at] an
email from my yahoo.com account informing them of that fact. I included
a copy/paste maillog entry from my server indicating that fact.

About 48 hours later I received a response asking what my abuse complaint
was about!

On 09/26/07 09:44, Dave Uhring wrote:
> When their servers were down a couple of months ago I sent
> postmaster [at] an email from my yahoo.com account informing them of that
> fact. I included a copy/paste maillog entry from my server
> indicating that fact.
>
> About 48 hours later I received a response asking what my abuse
> complaint was about!

Dough!

Sounds like the person that sent you that email needs to get a job in
their skill set.



Grant. . . .

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:52:53 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:

>> About 48 hours later I received a response asking what my abuse
>> complaint was about!
>
> Dough!
>
> Sounds like the person that sent you that email needs to get a job in
> their skill set.

My partial response to that silliness:

"If you do not wish to be notified of *your* outages
then our customers will simply be told that yahoo.com
has incompetent mail admins."

"You dingalings had a service outage and I reported it
to you in good faith. The only abuse here is your
failure to properly operate a MX service."

Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 09/25/07 21:52, Scott Grayban wrote:
>> You're all right -- I added a extra 0 in there but still Ebay should
>> honour the greet pause no matter what.
>
> Quick question. Have you sent an email to postmaster [at] ebay.com inquiring
> about what you are witnessing? It has been my experience that if I send
> a nice polite message indicating that I'm perceiving a problem receiving
> email from a given domain and that I'd like something between an
> explanation to help figuring out why, most postmasters will take the few
> minutes to drink a cup of coffee and at least reply to try to point me
> in the right direction. I'd be willing to bet that ebay would be no
> different seeing as how they have a vested interest in getting their
> email to as many people as possible.
>
>
>
> Grant. . . .
>

Yes I did... no reply.

-- Scott

Scott Grayban wrote:

>> Neither do they queue and retransmit temporarily undeliverable messages.
>> Can anyone say RFC2821?

> A new RFC should be drafted up for crap likes this... RFCmoron, that way
> we can just point the offenders to one general location.

Perhaps we could convince the owner of rfc-ignorant.org to create new
zones? impatient.rfc-ignorant.org (for greet_pause abusers) and
hitnrun.rfc-ignorant.org (for non-retransmitters)?

Regards,

David.