Did I say I was worried about bandwidth? I think processing power
might be more important:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Server_ Resources.png

Got so bad for a few minutes I couldn't even access any of my sites,
seems it puts some kind of a cap on each account when there is so much
resources being hoarded by one setup, cause I was able to access other
sites on the server besides mine and they loaded up.

At some point here soon I think I'm gonna have to try and find a more
efficient means of constructing the final graphic in PHP, cause the
current way is just too damn deficient.

One of the really annoying things is that most of my work has all
evolved past existing tutorials and example sites, which means I just
have to hack at the stupid thing myself for hours on end trying to
find the best method.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:44:22 -0800, a rock fell the sky, hitting Onideus
Mad Hatter on the head, and inspiring the following:

> Did I say I was worried about bandwidth? I think processing power might
> be more important:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Server_ Resources.png
>
> Got so bad for a few minutes I couldn't even access any of my sites,
> seems it puts some kind of a cap on each account when there is so much
> resources being hoarded by one setup, cause I was able to access other
> sites on the server besides mine and they loaded up.
>
> At some point here soon I think I'm gonna have to try and find a more
> efficient means of constructing the final graphic in PHP, cause the
> current way is just too damn deficient.
>
> One of the really annoying things is that most of my work has all
> evolved past existing tutorials and example sites, which means I just
> have to hack at the stupid thing myself for hours on end trying to find
> the best method.
>
>
We had a similar issue at work the other day. We store our images (145M of
'em) on the filesystem in TIFF. We have roughly 500 clients accessing the
files using a browser-based application, running through one of three IIS
servers (physically seperate dual-processor boxes) in in a load-balancing
cluster.

Typically the images are simply retrieved from the EVA and passed to the
file server then displayed as TIFF using a Janus control at the browser.

Some people want to print, however. To do this, we re-render the image
using a PDF conversion tool over to PDF and drop an overlay to indicate a
non-official copy.

This then brings up the image in the browser using the Acrobat plug-in.

All was good until we finally (about two weeks ago) got all 500 outside
clients on at once. When they started printing, the IIS thread process
totals shot up to around 98 - 100%. The rendering from TIFF to PDF just
would bring the servers to their knees, especially when converting
documents with more than 500 pages.

We ended up offloading the TIFF > PDF conversion to another quad processor
server we had not yet started using. Now the IIS server requests the
conversion, it occurs on another server solely dedicated to the rendering
and then passes the PDF out to the browser.

So...

....my advice to you would be to pay a little more and get a second server
for the image rendering. Or else get a new service with better servers. :P


--
kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com
www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com

closing the doors that surround me
so no one will ever penetrate
complete my retreat just to wait for the day
that never comes so i will laugh alone

> ...my advice to you would be to pay a little more and get a second server
> for the image rendering. Or else get a new service with better servers. :P

I disagree - certainly, if you /absolutely need/ to render the image
every time then you're going to have to do something drastic like
getting a second server. But it's much faster and more efficient to
pre-render it when there isn't server load, then save it to the
server. I'm not sure what you're trying to do with these images, but
if you're resizing them, for instance, you should do all resizing at
upload, and save all the images to the server. This means more demand
on the hard drive, but FAR less demand on the server overall.

On 25 Feb 2007 17:40:55 -0800, "dimo414" <dimo414 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>> ...my advice to you would be to pay a little more and get a second server
>> for the image rendering. Or else get a new service with better servers. :P
>
>I disagree - certainly, if you /absolutely need/ to render the image
>every time then you're going to have to do something drastic like
>getting a second server. But it's much faster and more efficient to
>pre-render it when there isn't server load, then save it to the
>server. I'm not sure what you're trying to do with these images, but
>if you're resizing them, for instance, you should do all resizing at
>upload, and save all the images to the server. This means more demand
>on the hard drive, but FAR less demand on the server overall.

Well there's currently...billions...possibly trillions, of different
combinations:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/

Mostly because you can alter the hue, saturation, and lightness on
different parts, some parts even have up to three color areas that can
be altered with around 100 different parts total (with 1 to 5 more
being added each week)...so needless to say, prerendering is out. A
better way might be to either rebuild it in Java or use Java for the
image rendering since it can then be done client side...although I'm
not ~entirely~ certain if Java even has such capability...further
there would be compatibility issues and complications. I might also
be able to speed it up if I can figure out how to transfer an array
from Flash to PHP. Right now it has to take 128 giant chunks of image
data, break it all apart and then assign each part to a pixel
location. If it was processed from an array it wouldn't have to break
anything apart.

I could speed it up even further with or without the array by
assigning all background color instances a value of say "N" and then
it would just skip assigning those color locations, which would
already be the background color.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:05:40 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet [at] backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>On 25 Feb 2007 17:40:55 -0800, "dimo414" <dimo414 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> ...my advice to you would be to pay a little more and get a second server
>>> for the image rendering. Or else get a new service with better servers. :P
>>
>>I disagree - certainly, if you /absolutely need/ to render the image
>>every time then you're going to have to do something drastic like
>>getting a second server. But it's much faster and more efficient to
>>pre-render it when there isn't server load, then save it to the
>>server. I'm not sure what you're trying to do with these images, but
>>if you're resizing them, for instance, you should do all resizing at
>>upload, and save all the images to the server. This means more demand
>>on the hard drive, but FAR less demand on the server overall.
>
>Well there's currently...billions...possibly trillions, of different
>combinations:
>http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/

My bad, there are roughly 2.9647603478997813412081369410589e+722
different combinations...give or take a few trillion. o_O

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )