On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:57:24 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet [at] backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>On 16 Jan 2007 05:30:43 -0800, "SpaceGirl"
><nothespacegirlspam [at] subhuman.net> wrote:
>
>>That's beyond the scope of anything I've done personally, but I'll ask
>>the team!
>
>Cool deal. At this point I'd be grateful for any input on the subject
>as I can't really find anything via Google. Even when I asked around
>on the SwishForums I got nothin other than a couple people who had
>~sorta~ tried it but hadn't really had much sucess. In the mean time
>I'm gonna keep experimenting with it. Once I finally get it figured
>out I think I'll do up another post like nyah:
>http://forums.swishzone.com/index.php?showtopic=42700
>
>> I can't get to your URL though? I just get a blank page.
>
>Oh, oops, I keep forgetting about that. If you use an older version
>of SwishMax you have to run this patch proggie on all your SWF files
>to make them compatible with Flash 9.

Huh...just realized something...it does work...but apparently only in
Internet Explorer. I'm wondering if this is a browser bug rather than
a problem with PHP/Flash/HTML. Think I'll ask around in the FireFox
community, see if I can't get some kind of an explanation.

....wait a minute.

*Hatter checks the Flash version in FF that he's using*

Well I'm using version 8 in FF and version 9 in IE, so that might be
what's causing the problem. Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
actually save the graphic:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php

In SwishMax I'm exporting as Flash8 though so I'm doubtin that, that's
the problem.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
> actually save the graphic:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php

After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save as
PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
images inside it.
--
Jeckyl

Jeckyl tossed the following at the wall, and it stuck:

>> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>> actually save the graphic:
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>
> After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
> tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save
> as
> PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
> showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
> images inside it.

Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it. But damn, the save progress
bar was sloooowww.

Guess Linux really is the better desktop.

--
Q: What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous?
A: A canary with the super-user password.

Froz...

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:41:52 GMT, FrozenNorth
<frozennorth123 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeckyl tossed the following at the wall, and it stuck:
>
>>> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>>> actually save the graphic:
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>>
>> After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
>> tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save
>> as
>> PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
>> showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
>> images inside it.

>Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.

Uh...actually maybe not, that's the whole point. Just because it
DISPLAYS the image in the browser doesn't mean it'll save the
completed graphic.

Yeesh, does ANYONE actually read anything anymore?

>But damn, the save progress
>bar was sloooowww.

Yeah well so far no one, anywhere, has been able to come up with an
alternative solution that's significantly faster. I found like ONE
other example of such a beast where this guy had created an MS Paint
style Flash app. His had a larger canvas size and seemed to save
about 10% to 20% faster than my form...but he didn't give any
information as to what methodology he was using. The key to making it
faster I believe is in extracting the color codes straight out of a
copyPixels function rather than relying on running the getPixel
function on every single individual pixel...although I haven't had
much luck in in figuring that out and haven't been able to find any
examples or documentation...so it might not actually be possible.

>Guess Linux really is the better desktop.

Go find that post where I list all those nifty specialized
applications that are Windows only and then feel stupid. Linux is
awesome for a LOT of stuff...a desktop environment REALLY isn't one of
them. And in fact I think the push to try and make Linux competative
against Windows as a desktop environment has actually done more to
HURT the development and evolution of Linux, rather than help it.
Really if someone wanted to create an alternative form to Windows that
would function as a kick ass desktop environment...yeah...you would
need to create the OS from scratch. Cause Unix/Linux was NEVER
originally designed to be that i --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )n the first place.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:29:09 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>> actually save the graphic:
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>
>After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
>tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save as
>PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
>showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
>images inside it.

Must be a browser "bug" then...I'll have to find some way of
compensating for it. I'm thinkin that my original line of thought was
correct about how the browser handles post variables across different
pages. With IE it must have some sort of means to compensate for it
automagically where as FireFox/Netscape do not. I guess you call it a
bug, but then on the flip side you could also say that IE is just more
lenient in regards to site architecture...which may or may not be a
good thing, depending on whether it leads to a vulnerability or not
(often the former).

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

>>Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>>teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>>PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.

> Uh...actually maybe not, that's the whole point. Just because it
> DISPLAYS the image in the browser doesn't mean it'll save the
> completed graphic.

So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?
--
Jeckyl

Jeckyl tossed the following at the wall, and it stuck:

>>>Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>>>teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>>>PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.
>
>> Uh...actually maybe not, that's the whole point. Just because it
>> DISPLAYS the image in the browser doesn't mean it'll save the
>> completed graphic.
>
> So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?

That's just it, I right clicked the image, selected "Save As', and got a
filename with a png extension, I didn't really feel like seeing if I could
open it in Gimp.
--
Q: What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous?
A: A canary with the super-user password.

Froz...

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:01:23 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>>>Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>>>teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>>>PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.
>
>> Uh...actually maybe not, that's the whole point. Just because it
>> DISPLAYS the image in the browser doesn't mean it'll save the
>> completed graphic.
>
>So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?

Well when you select the sprite parts you want they're supposed to
show up in the static and animated preview portions and if you choose
to alter the colors, it should also change the previews. Then when
you hit save it's supposed to extract all the color codes from the
static preview and assign them to variables. Once finished with the
extraction (when the bar reaches 100%) it'll launch a PHP script in a
new window along with the color code data as POST variables. The PHP
script then takes the raw color codes, explodes them into array
variables (one for each line of the image) and then it starts a dual
while loop to assign all the color codes to pixel locations. Once
done it's supposed to render the image, which should look identical to
the preview graphic in Flash and then you should be able to save it,
with the saved file, again, looking identical to the original preview.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

>>So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?

So you want to test not only whether the save button in your swf functions
(we had to guess that what we saw was the correct function), but also
whether the browser will let us save the image in the new window/tab that
resulted from the 'save' button function

In my case, I could not save the image in IE, because it was quicktime
content, and it would not let me save.

In Firefox, there was no point in saving it, because the displayed image
didn't have the characters in it.

-
Jeckyl

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:29:19 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>>>So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?

>So you want to test not only whether the save button in your swf functions
>(we had to guess that what we saw was the correct function), but also
>whether the browser will let us save the image in the new window/tab that
>resulted from the 'save' button function
>
>In my case, I could not save the image in IE, because it was quicktime
>content, and it would not let me save.

....I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that, can you provide a
screen cap of it?

>In Firefox, there was no point in saving it, because the displayed image
>didn't have the characters in it.

What version of FF and Windows are you using? I'm using v1.5 and
WinXP and it'll display the image with the characters in it, but it
won't save.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

>>In my case, I could not save the image in IE, because it was quicktime
>>content, and it would not let me save.
>
> ...I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that, can you provide a
> screen cap of it?

what is there to capture? .. all you'll see in capture is a picture of the
browser with the image looking correct. However, that image is being
displayed by the quicktime control object, and quicktime object does not
offer an option to save.

> What version of FF and Windows are you using? I'm using v1.5 and
> WinXP and it'll display the image with the characters in it, but it
> won't save.

Firefox 2.0.0.1, Flash palyer 9r16, XP SP2

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:41:18 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>>>In my case, I could not save the image in IE, because it was quicktime
>>>content, and it would not let me save.
>>
>> ...I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that, can you provide a
>> screen cap of it?
>
>what is there to capture? .. all you'll see in capture is a picture of the
>browser with the image looking correct. However, that image is being
>displayed by the quicktime control object, and quicktime object does not
>offer an option to save.

....yeah I don't see how that's possible though. The file header is:
"Content-type: image/png"

I don't see how it could mistake it in some way for a quicktime
object. I wanted to see a print screen of what happens when you right
click on the image. What version of IE are you running? I'm using
version six on XP SP2 and it displays and saves just fine. Also, if
you can't right click and Save As, what about going to File > Save As?

>> What version of FF and Windows are you using? I'm using v1.5 and
>> WinXP and it'll display the image with the characters in it, but it
>> won't save.

>Firefox 2.0.0.1, Flash palyer 9r16, XP SP2

Ahhh, must be a FF2 issue then...not that it really matters though
since at present even the older versions of FF that will display the
image won't save it right.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> ...yeah I don't see how that's possible though. The file header is:
> "Content-type: image/png"

That is why then .. My MIME settings for Quicktime (still as as installed by
Quicktime, I think) are for the QuickTeim plugin to handle images in:
[x] MacPaint,
[x] PICT,
[x] PNG,
[x] QuickTime,
[x] SGI,
[x] TGA,
[x] TIFF,
[x] JPEG200
formats

So that would exaplin why Quicktime tries to display the image.

Maybe you should save in JPEG, GIF or BMP format, if you wish to be able to
save directly from the browser. Or embed the file in an html web page, from
which one could (hopefully) right-click to save image as etc

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:38:33 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> ...yeah I don't see how that's possible though. The file header is:
>> "Content-type: image/png"
>
>That is why then .. My MIME settings for Quicktime (still as as installed by
>Quicktime, I think) are for the QuickTeim plugin to handle images in:
>[x] MacPaint,
>[x] PICT,
>[x] PNG,
>[x] QuickTime,
>[x] SGI,
>[x] TGA,
>[x] TIFF,
>[x] JPEG200
>formats
>
>So that would exaplin why Quicktime tries to display the image.
>
>Maybe you should save in JPEG, GIF or BMP format, if you wish to be able to
>save directly from the browser. Or embed the file in an html web page, from
>which one could (hopefully) right-click to save image as etc

Well at JPG at MAX quality ~might~ be okay (so long as its lossless
encoding), because the background HAS to be all one color for it to
work correctly in RPG Maker XP. But then the file size is going to be
freaking HUGE. BMP is the same problem, huge file size. GIF would be
the next best choice, it can't achieve as good a compression as PNG on
palette based images, but it comes relatively close. The big thing to
keep in mind though is who I'm making the Sprite Generator for and I'm
bettin if I took a poll the vast majority would want the file in PNG
format. In fact I believe a lot of the other third party sprite
editing tools work off PNG files, which might explain why a good 95%
of all the sprite image material in circulation is in PNG format.
It's also the format that's in use by the program makers themselves
for their base/included sprites. Further most peeps on that level
wouldn't have QuickTime setup as their graphics viewer for PNG (most
would probably have something like ACDSee).

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:57:24 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
> <usenet [at] backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
> >On 16 Jan 2007 05:30:43 -0800, "SpaceGirl"
> ><nothespacegirlspam [at] subhuman.net> wrote:
> >
> >>That's beyond the scope of anything I've done personally, but I'll ask
> >>the team!
> >
> >Cool deal. At this point I'd be grateful for any input on the subject
> >as I can't really find anything via Google. Even when I asked around
> >on the SwishForums I got nothin other than a couple people who had
> >~sorta~ tried it but hadn't really had much sucess. In the mean time
> >I'm gonna keep experimenting with it. Once I finally get it figured
> >out I think I'll do up another post like nyah:
> >http://forums.swishzone.com/index.php?showtopic=42700
> >
> >> I can't get to your URL though? I just get a blank page.
> >
> >Oh, oops, I keep forgetting about that. If you use an older version
> >of SwishMax you have to run this patch proggie on all your SWF files
> >to make them compatible with Flash 9.
>
> Huh...just realized something...it does work...but apparently only in
> Internet Explorer. I'm wondering if this is a browser bug rather than
> a problem with PHP/Flash/HTML. Think I'll ask around in the FireFox
> community, see if I can't get some kind of an explanation.
>
> ...wait a minute.
>
> *Hatter checks the Flash version in FF that he's using*
>
> Well I'm using version 8 in FF and version 9 in IE, so that might be
> what's causing the problem. Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
> actually save the graphic:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>
> In SwishMax I'm exporting as Flash8 though so I'm doubtin that, that's
> the problem.

Flash 9, Fx2.0.1 and works perfectly. And I have to say... I totally
adore it! What a cool little toy! *sulks* wish I were "allowed" to
build things like that!

On 17 Jan 2007 01:43:44 -0800, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespacegirlspam [at] subhuman.net> wrote:

>
>Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:57:24 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
>> <usenet [at] backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 16 Jan 2007 05:30:43 -0800, "SpaceGirl"
>> ><nothespacegirlspam [at] subhuman.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>That's beyond the scope of anything I've done personally, but I'll ask
>> >>the team!
>> >
>> >Cool deal. At this point I'd be grateful for any input on the subject
>> >as I can't really find anything via Google. Even when I asked around
>> >on the SwishForums I got nothin other than a couple people who had
>> >~sorta~ tried it but hadn't really had much sucess. In the mean time
>> >I'm gonna keep experimenting with it. Once I finally get it figured
>> >out I think I'll do up another post like nyah:
>> >http://forums.swishzone.com/index.php?showtopic=42700
>> >
>> >> I can't get to your URL though? I just get a blank page.
>> >
>> >Oh, oops, I keep forgetting about that. If you use an older version
>> >of SwishMax you have to run this patch proggie on all your SWF files
>> >to make them compatible with Flash 9.
>>
>> Huh...just realized something...it does work...but apparently only in
>> Internet Explorer. I'm wondering if this is a browser bug rather than
>> a problem with PHP/Flash/HTML. Think I'll ask around in the FireFox
>> community, see if I can't get some kind of an explanation.
>>
>> ...wait a minute.
>>
>> *Hatter checks the Flash version in FF that he's using*
>>
>> Well I'm using version 8 in FF and version 9 in IE, so that might be
>> what's causing the problem. Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>> actually save the graphic:
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>>
>> In SwishMax I'm exporting as Flash8 though so I'm doubtin that, that's
>> the problem.
>
>Flash 9, Fx2.0.1 and works perfectly.

Were you able to save the image too? So far I've found with FF it'll
display the final image, but when you save it, it's fubar.

>And I have to say... I totally
>adore it! What a cool little toy! *sulks* wish I were "allowed" to
>build things like that!

LOL, it's one of the perks of having a regular, non techy job for
supplementary income. Basically when it comes to tech stuff I pretty
much only do what I want to do at this point. And then on the side I
work as a manager at a DQ, which is a very non-stressful, no thinking
required kind of job (I see it more as like mandatory exercise that
pays rather than a job). So in the end I get a nice a workout, make
some decent money and I get to pursue all my own interests and
projects tech wise.

Today I played with layer blend modes in Flash:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Layer_Bl end_Modes/

Pretty fun stuff, only downside is that they forgot the luminance
blend mode (one of my personal favorites), so that's a bit of a
disappointment.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

> >Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> >Flash 9, Fx2.0.1 and works perfectly.
>
> Were you able to save the image too? So far I've found with FF it'll
> display the final image, but when you save it, it's fubar.

Okay that is weird. But I could do right-click "copy image" in Fx and
that worked;

http://www.northleithmill.com/miranda-chan!.png


> >And I have to say... I totally
> >adore it! What a cool little toy! *sulks* wish I were "allowed" to
> >build things like that!
>
> LOL, it's one of the perks of having a regular, non techy job for
> supplementary income. Basically when it comes to tech stuff I pretty
> much only do what I want to do at this point. And then on the side I
> work as a manager at a DQ, which is a very non-stressful, no thinking
> required kind of job (I see it more as like mandatory exercise that
> pays rather than a job). So in the end I get a nice a workout, make
> some decent money and I get to pursue all my own interests and
> projects tech wise.

I think that's a good thing! Spending ALL my time doing design work and
I never seem to do any design just for me! Our northleithmill project
should address that this year. Totally personal project, ftw! Thing
is... don't think I could do anything else as a job. All I know is
multimedia! I'd be a crappy secretary lol.

> Today I played with layer blend modes in Flash:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Layer_Bl end_Modes/

*sigh*

> Pretty fun stuff, only downside is that they forgot the luminance
> blend mode (one of my personal favorites), so that's a bit of a
> disappointment.

I thought that was an odd thing to miss out too.

In article <12qra6kpkcff1b0 [at] corp.supernews.com>, Jeckyl took the
hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...

> > ...yeah I don't see how that's possible though. The file header is:
> > "Content-type: image/png"
>
> That is why then .. My MIME settings for Quicktime (still as as installed by
> Quicktime, I think) are for the QuickTeim plugin to handle images in:
> [x] MacPaint,
> [x] PICT,
> [x] PNG,
> [x] QuickTime,
> [x] SGI,
> [x] TGA,
> [x] TIFF,
> [x] JPEG200
> formats
>
> So that would exaplin why Quicktime tries to display the image.

my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.

>
> Maybe you should save in JPEG, GIF or BMP format, if you wish to be able to
> save directly from the browser. Or embed the file in an html web page, from
> which one could (hopefully) right-click to save image as etc
>
>
>

--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "The American Way" -- Sacred Reich

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"

> my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
> open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.

My point is, that people who are using this may well have QT installed and
have the same (I think default) settings that would prevent them saving a
PNG. Now usually nice to tell your visitors that they have to go chaning
settings on their computer just to save an image.
--
Jeckyl

In article <12qu96fdn3h8e17 [at] corp.supernews.com>, Jeckyl took the
hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...

> > my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
> > open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.
>
> My point is, that people who are using this may well have QT installed and
> have the same (I think default) settings that would prevent them saving a
> PNG. Now usually nice to tell your visitors that they have to go chaning
> settings on their computer just to save an image.

Worked fine in FF for me. Got a template w/ 16 poses on it. I can save
it as I will. Allow pop-ups for backwater-productions.net. It didn't
work when FF blocked them.


--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "The American Way" -- Sacred Reich

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:01:25 -0600, trippy
<silverbells [at] tacoshells.com> wrote:

>In article <12qu96fdn3h8e17 [at] corp.supernews.com>, Jeckyl took the
>hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>> > my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
>> > open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.
>>
>> My point is, that people who are using this may well have QT installed and
>> have the same (I think default) settings that would prevent them saving a
>> PNG. Now usually nice to tell your visitors that they have to go chaning
>> settings on their computer just to save an image.
>
>Worked fine in FF for me. Got a template w/ 16 poses on it. I can save
>it as I will. Allow pop-ups for backwater-productions.net. It didn't
>work when FF blocked them.

The problem I guess is that if you install QuickTime (the official
version, not the hacked version that comes in K-Lite) it tries to
hijack the PNG extension, setting itself as the file association and
by doing so locks you out from saving PNG files...pretty fuckwitted if
ya ask me, especially since it's not even theirs.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

In article <97buq21ih8356n6a96co4rcr7bf9gsdbch [at] 4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
Hatter took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
Wow"...

> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:01:25 -0600, trippy
> <silverbells [at] tacoshells.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <12qu96fdn3h8e17 [at] corp.supernews.com>, Jeckyl took the
> >hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> >
> >> > my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
> >> > open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.
> >>
> >> My point is, that people who are using this may well have QT installed and
> >> have the same (I think default) settings that would prevent them saving a
> >> PNG. Now usually nice to tell your visitors that they have to go chaning
> >> settings on their computer just to save an image.
> >
> >Worked fine in FF for me. Got a template w/ 16 poses on it. I can save
> >it as I will. Allow pop-ups for backwater-productions.net. It didn't
> >work when FF blocked them.
>
> The problem I guess is that if you install QuickTime (the official
> version, not the hacked version that comes in K-Lite) it tries to
> hijack the PNG extension, setting itself as the file association and
> by doing so locks you out from saving PNG files...pretty fuckwitted if
> ya ask me, especially since it's not even theirs.

I downloaded mine for free on Apple. I just right-clicked the picture,
picked 'save picture as' and saved it. Was it supposed to be more
complicated than that? Was I actually supposed to try to use quicktime
to save it? Shit dude, just render it to a separate page and let people
right click it. Then they can use whatever the fuck they want to save
it. You got it to render to another page, mr end user can take it from
there if they want it.


--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "The American Way" -- Sacred Reich

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:58:12 -0600, trippy
<silverbells [at] tacoshells.com> wrote:

>In article <97buq21ih8356n6a96co4rcr7bf9gsdbch [at] 4ax.com>, Onideus Mad
>Hatter took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
>Wow"...
>
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:01:25 -0600, trippy
>> <silverbells [at] tacoshells.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <12qu96fdn3h8e17 [at] corp.supernews.com>, Jeckyl took the
>> >hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>> >
>> >> > my quicktime goes off for png's too. You can associate file types to
>> >> > open in something else though, so if QT bugs you, just change it.
>> >>
>> >> My point is, that people who are using this may well have QT installed and
>> >> have the same (I think default) settings that would prevent them saving a
>> >> PNG. Now usually nice to tell your visitors that they have to go chaning
>> >> settings on their computer just to save an image.
>> >
>> >Worked fine in FF for me. Got a template w/ 16 poses on it. I can save
>> >it as I will. Allow pop-ups for backwater-productions.net. It didn't
>> >work when FF blocked them.
>>
>> The problem I guess is that if you install QuickTime (the official
>> version, not the hacked version that comes in K-Lite) it tries to
>> hijack the PNG extension, setting itself as the file association and
>> by doing so locks you out from saving PNG files...pretty fuckwitted if
>> ya ask me, especially since it's not even theirs.
>
>I downloaded mine for free on Apple. I just right-clicked the picture,
>picked 'save picture as' and saved it. Was it supposed to be more
>complicated than that? Was I actually supposed to try to use quicktime
>to save it? Shit dude, just render it to a separate page and let people
>right click it. Then they can use whatever the fuck they want to save
>it. You got it to render to another page, mr end user can take it from
>there if they want it.

Jeckyl seems to disagree, he wants me to design it to be as hand
holding as possible because for some reason he can't get QuickTime to
let him save it. *shrugs*

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> Jeckyl seems to disagree, he wants me to design it to be as hand
> holding as possible because for some reason he can't get QuickTime to
> let him save it. *shrugs*

The standard quicktime plugin has right-click saving disabled .. you cannot
simply right-click on the image and save it. For most users that would mean
they are unable to save the image. Of course, if you're too lazy to produce
your output in a way that would help users save the resulting image (eg
creating a link to the image so user can right-click save-target-as to save
the image), then that's your problem.
--
Jeckyl

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:29:53 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> Jeckyl seems to disagree, he wants me to design it to be as hand
>> holding as possible because for some reason he can't get QuickTime to
>> let him save it. *shrugs*
>
>The standard quicktime plugin has right-click saving disabled .. you cannot
>simply right-click on the image and save it. For most users that would mean
>they are unable to save the image. Of course, if you're too lazy to produce
>your output in a way that would help users save the resulting image (eg
>creating a link to the image so user can right-click save-target-as to save
>the image), then that's your problem.

A good 90%+ of all the sprites and chipsets uploaded to the 2D (flat
and isometric) video game making community are in PNG format (for
various, important reasons)...somehow I don't think they'll have any
problems with it.

You my friend are a borderline tweenage muppet fuck, functioning
computer-illiterate (like a functional retard)...if you can't even
figure out how to get QuickTime to stop preventing you from saving
images...well you sure the fuck aren't going to be making any video
games.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> A good 90%+ of all the sprites and chipsets uploaded to the 2D (flat
> and isometric) video game making community are in PNG format (for
> various, important reasons)...somehow I don't think they'll have any
> problems with it.

There's no problem with PNG format .. its just the way you're providing it.

> if you can't even
> figure out how to get QuickTime to stop preventing you from saving
> images...well you sure the fuck aren't going to be making any video
> games.

I didn't say I couldn't .. I'm thinking of the dumb users out there (you
know, people like you who don't even know how to use hex), who might not
know what to do when they right-click and find there is no option to save.
But then, with your self-admitted arrogance, you wouldn't care whether
people could actually use your site. Again, that's your problem (or,
unfortunately, the problem of people who use your little toy app there).
--
Jeckyl

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:57:59 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> A good 90%+ of all the sprites and chipsets uploaded to the 2D (flat
>> and isometric) video game making community are in PNG format (for
>> various, important reasons)...somehow I don't think they'll have any
>> problems with it.
>
>There's no problem with PNG format .. its just the way you're providing it.
>
>> if you can't even
>> figure out how to get QuickTime to stop preventing you from saving
>> images...well you sure the fuck aren't going to be making any video
>> games.
>
>I didn't say I couldn't .. I'm thinking of the dumb users out there (you
>know, people like you who don't even know how to use hex), who might not
>know what to do when they right-click and find there is no option to save.
>But then, with your self-admitted arrogance, you wouldn't care whether
>people could actually use your site. Again, that's your problem (or,
>unfortunately, the problem of people who use your little toy app there).

....the retard using Outhouse Express as a news client is tryig to
claim that he's not a dumb user...WOW...boy I think I've seen
everything on the Internet now.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> ...the retard using Outhouse Express as a news client is tryig to
> claim that he's not a dumb user...WOW...boy I think I've seen
> everything on the Internet now.

Aha .. so it seem you really don't have any rational argument against what I
said, so I'll take that as agreement with it. Thanks.
--
Jeckyl

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:24:36 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> ...the retard using Outhouse Express as a news client is tryig to
>> claim that he's not a dumb user...WOW...boy I think I've seen
>> everything on the Internet now.
>
>Aha .. so it seem you really don't have any rational argument against what I
>said, so I'll take that as agreement with it. Thanks.

Oh so you think you're an idiot too, well, it's nice we can both agree
on something, innt kiddo? ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

>>> ...the retard using Outhouse Express as a news client is tryig to
>>> claim that he's not a dumb user...WOW...boy I think I've seen
>>> everything on the Internet now.
>>Aha .. so it seem you really don't have any rational argument against what
>>I
>>said, so I'll take that as agreement with it. Thanks.
> Oh so you think you're an idiot too, well, it's nice we can both agree
> on something, innt kiddo? ^_^

Again, you make no sense at all, but that is to be expected. You always
seem to just skim replies and not really read them.

It was quite a disappointing response from you, actually .. oh well, that's
what I get from trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
--
Jeckyl

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:08:45 +1100, "Jeckyl" <noone [at] nowhere.com>
wrote:

>>>> ...the retard using Outhouse Express as a news client is tryig to
>>>> claim that he's not a dumb user...WOW...boy I think I've seen
>>>> everything on the Internet now.
>>>Aha .. so it seem you really don't have any rational argument against what
>>>I
>>>said, so I'll take that as agreement with it. Thanks.
>> Oh so you think you're an idiot too, well, it's nice we can both agree
>> on something, innt kiddo? ^_^
>
>Again, you make no sense at all,

To a tweenage muppet fuck using Outhouse Express who thinks he knows
it all...I would imagine you have THAT particular problem quite
often...I'd suggest RITALIN. `, )

>It was quite a disappointing response from you, actually .. oh well, that's
>what I get from trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Woah, what incredible and stunning originality, Bumbles! I
mean...fuck...ICE BURN BABY!

Oh hey, in case it skipped you, I'm MOCKING YOU. Yer a lil on the
slow side so I figured I'd take the time to point it out, I wouldn't
want you to embarrass yourself or anything.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

> To a tweenage muppet fuck using Outhouse Express who thinks he knows
> it all...I would imagine you have THAT particular problem quite
> often...I'd suggest RITALIN. `, )

Aha .. there you go misreading things again. You do seem to have problems
with that. I didn't say I couldn't make sense of it .. I said it made no
sense .. ie. the problem is with you. You really just can't seem to handle
rational thought, logical arguments, common sense .. anything that requires
some degree of intelligence.

> Oh hey, in case it skipped you, I'm MOCKING YOU. Yer a lil on the
> slow side so I figured I'd take the time to point it out, I wouldn't
> want you to embarrass yourself or anything.

Ooooooh ... MOCKING. My goodness, I had better watch myself, there's
mocking going on. Look out everyone .. there's a mocker in our midst !!
--
Jeckyl

On 2007-01-17, FrozenNorth <frozennorth123 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Jeckyl tossed the following at the wall, and it stuck:
>
>>> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>>> actually save the graphic:
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>>
>> After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
>> tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save
>> as
>> PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
>> showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
>> images inside it.
>
> Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
> teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
> PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.

you should try saving it, in mozilla it displays fine, and seems to save,
but when I open the saved image I get a black rectangle.

> But damn, the save progress bar was sloooowww.

It converts each 24 bit pixel into about 17 bytes of ascii data...

the uploaded query is about 800K

There must be a better way. Can flash do zlib compression?
even a simple RLE would help.

Bye.
Jasen

On 18 Jan 2007 09:42:22 GMT, jasen <jasen [at] free.net.nz> wrote:

>On 2007-01-17, FrozenNorth <frozennorth123 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jeckyl tossed the following at the wall, and it stuck:
>>
>>>> Can anyone with Firefox who has version 9
>>>> of Flash check the save functionality and tell me if it'll let you
>>>> actually save the graphic:
>>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Sprite_T est/index.php
>>>
>>> After saving (when using Flash Player 9 in FireFox) the new window shows a
>>> tealish coloured rectangle (if I try to save the image, it tries to save
>>> as
>>> PNG). In IE7 with Flash Player 9, the new window has QuickTime content
>>> showing the same sized tealish colored rectangle, but with the character
>>> images inside it.
>>
>> Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>> teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>> PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.
>
>you should try saving it, in mozilla it displays fine, and seems to save,
>but when I open the saved image I get a black rectangle.
>
>> But damn, the save progress bar was sloooowww.
>
>It converts each 24 bit pixel into about 17 bytes of ascii data...
>
>the uploaded query is about 800K
>
>There must be a better way. Can flash do zlib compression?
>even a simple RLE would help.

I read somewhere about using the new flash.net.Socket to do just
that...haven't really found a lot of details about it though.
Probably I'll experiment with that in March (the rest of this month
and next are pretty booked up for me project wise)...actually maybe
not even in March, cause I think I'm gonna go to Sakura Con in Seattle
this year, in which case I need to whip up a couple new AMVs for teh
contests.

However in the mean time I have decided to switch to using GET
variables instead of POST variables (which should solve the saving the
problem), the trick is compressing the data enough that it doesn't
crash the URI, so I'm just going to create a real simple compression
algorithm that'll track the span of a specific color (it'll work good
on the sprites since they're palette based). So like the first line
variable will look like this: 0DA2BD-128 and then if there are more
than one color line spans it'll put a | between them and then if
there's no span on a particular color it'll just leave off the - and
span number. Even if you throw up a whole bunch of different colored
parts it'll still cut it all down enough that it'll pass through the
URI.

The one thing I *SHOULD* do is finish my Interpixel Cascade Fusion
codec prototype and then use it's base engine to compress the image
data...but that'll take at least two or three weeks to get done. Plus
I think I'm going to have to rewrite most of the code I've already got
for it, cause the last time I worked on it, well it seemed to work
okay for simple color forms, but when I tried it out on a more complex
image:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/ICF_Vid eo_Codec_Snafu.png

....yeah, for some reason it was having problems reversing the fusion
process. At the time I wasn't able to isolate the problem and then I
got kinda bored with it and then shelved it. My original prototype
version, the one that created that image, was done in PHP, so I would
need to rewrite it anyway to use it in Flash. Sometimes I find it's
better to just put a project up on the shelf for awhile and work on
other stuff, especially cause what you learn later on will reshape
your perspective and then you can kinda look at the problem fresh.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:23:13 +1100, Jeckyl got out the hammer and chisel
and etched in the wall:

> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028
> X-Complaints-To: abuse [at] supernews.com
> Lines: 20
> Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.2600:383633 alt.php:113083 alt.macromedia.flash:100656 alt.design.graphics:271915
>
>> To a tweenage muppet fuck using Outhouse Express who thinks he knows
>> it all...I would imagine you have THAT particular problem quite
>> often...I'd suggest RITALIN. `, )
>
> Aha .. there you go misreading things again. You do seem to have problems
> with that. I didn't say I couldn't make sense of it .. I said it made no

No, he's reading your headers correct. You are in fact using Outhouse
Express. It says so right in your X-Newsreader line.

This means also that you're open to spyware, adware and all sorts of bad
things. Even if you're to stupid/stubborn/creative/locked-in to upgrade to
Linux or Mac from Wintendo, you should get off of Outlook Express and move
to X-News, 40-Tude, Thundirbird or any of the other real mail/news tools
out there.

Hey, you can even use Pan. I've got it on my Win2K machine.

--
kai - theperfectreign [at] yahoo.com
www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com
www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com

linux - because friends don't let friends use windows

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.php.]
On 2007-01-18, Jeckyl <noone [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Jeckyl seems to disagree, he wants me to design it to be as hand
>> holding as possible because for some reason he can't get QuickTime to
>> let him save it. *shrugs*
>
> The standard quicktime plugin has right-click saving disabled .. you cannot
> simply right-click on the image and save it. For most users that would mean
> they are unable to save the image. Of course, if you're too lazy to produce
> your output in a way that would help users save the resulting image (eg
> creating a link to the image so user can right-click save-target-as to save
> the image), then that's your problem.

the apparent problem is the 800K of data... (I don't think his server
supports URLs of that length) if he was to store the
image in a php $_SESSION then he could use a shorter URL.

Serving the image as type application/octet-stream instead of
image/png would allow saving too (actually, it'd open the save dialogue).
dunno if that'd cause problems for mac users

--

Bye.
Jasen

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On 2007-01-17, Jeckyl <noone [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>Odd, using Flash 9.0d78 in Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Linux, I got a new window,
>>>teal background with the character images. It would have been saved as a
>>>PNG if I has cared enough to actually save it.
>
>> Uh...actually maybe not, that's the whole point. Just because it
>> DISPLAYS the image in the browser doesn't mean it'll save the
>> completed graphic.
>
> So what is it that saving SHOULD do that we can check for?

create a file that can be opened and contains the image.


--

Bye.
Jasen

On 18 Jan 2007 19:40:32 GMT, jasen <jasen [at] free.net.nz> wrote:

>["Followup-To:" header set to alt.php.]

Don't you try and run away from me, you stupid little coward. I'm not
done blistering your little red ass.

>On 2007-01-18, Jeckyl <noone [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> Jeckyl seems to disagree, he wants me to design it to be as hand
>>> holding as possible because for some reason he can't get QuickTime to
>>> let him save it. *shrugs*
>>
>> The standard quicktime plugin has right-click saving disabled .. you cannot
>> simply right-click on the image and save it. For most users that would mean
>> they are unable to save the image. Of course, if you're too lazy to produce
>> your output in a way that would help users save the resulting image (eg
>> creating a link to the image so user can right-click save-target-as to save
>> the image), then that's your problem.
>
>the apparent problem is the 800K of data... (I don't think his server
>supports URLs of that length) if he was to store the
>image in a php $_SESSION then he could use a shorter URL.
>
>Serving the image as type application/octet-stream instead of
>image/png would allow saving too (actually, it'd open the save dialogue).
>dunno if that'd cause problems for mac users

WRONG

It would STILL have the same problem. That actually was my original
intent and eventually I want to get it to that point, BUT it is still
necessary to get an intermediary page setup that can take all the data
and reassemble the image first, however the problem with that is the
way that POST and GET work. If I use GET, the URI can't handle the
data, if I use POST, it can't rewrite the header that has already been
written. Using application/octet-stream in the later case would
simply save the HTML code as if it were an image file and in the
former case it'd simply save the black image with the colored
rectangle portion. You have solved nothing, you're still an
unproducing fuckwit running at the mouth and to top it off you have NO
EXPERIENCE WHAT SO EVER aside from what you're slurping up and
regurgitating off half assed Google humps with no real understand of
what it is you're even proposing.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:42:21 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet [at] backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>WRONG
>
>It would STILL have the same problem. That actually was my original
>intent and eventually I want to get it to that point, BUT it is still
>necessary to get an intermediary page setup that can take all the data
>and reassemble the image first, however the problem with that is the
>way that POST and GET work. If I use GET, the URI can't handle the
>data, if I use POST, it can't rewrite the header that has already been
>written. Using application/octet-stream in the later case would
>simply save the HTML code as if it were an image file and in the
>former case it'd simply save the black image with the colored
>rectangle portion. You have solved nothing, you're still an
>unproducing fuckwit running at the mouth and to top it off you have NO
>EXPERIENCE WHAT SO EVER aside from what you're slurping up and
>regurgitating off half assed Google humps with no real understand of
>what it is you're even proposing.

Oops, my bad, I thought you were Jeckyl (hence the insults). You
might want to consider picking a name that isn't so easily associated
with a lesser unproducing fuckwit. ; )

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )