Newbie here, and wondering which one would be the best to implicate a job
board? How do I go about putting up a job board?

I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference? As a newbie what
would be the easiest to start with?
I'm looking for a an easy cut and paste solution.

> Newbie here, and wondering which one would be the best to implicate a job
> board? How do I go about putting up a job board?
>
> I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference? As a newbie
> what
> would be the easiest to start with?
> I'm looking for a an easy cut and paste solution.
>

As a programmer who uses both languages, here is in a nutshell:

Syntax:
ASP is a Microsoft product based on the very ackward Visual Basic syntax
(Example: If / End If).
PHP is a C-Like, very compact and well organized. Some ackwardness, but it
makes it more romantic ;)

Hosting:
ASP works better on Microsoft servers. There is a possibility to run ASP on
Linux and BSD but I would not recommend, because of the fact that ASP relies
a lot on external components that often come in the form of DLLs that you
need to physically register on the server.
PHP works fine on both environments but a Linux/BSD server will run your
scripts faster than a Windows box because of the overhead (or lack thereof).

Out the box solutions:
Both languages are popular but PHP for some reason has more Open License
solutions that you can implement for free or for a donation if you are a
good guy (usually if your project makes you richer, you are supposed to give
back).

Toolbox:
PHP can be easily installed with a very large number of tools such as image
manipulation, upload, email, etc...
ASP requires the registration of components to do that and very ackward
object declarations. Most of these components are not free.

Speed:
ASP is very slow. Darn slow. Not suitable for traffics of thousands a day.
Many ASP Web sites evolved towards either PHP or Dot Net when they became
popular.
PHP is way faster. Dot Net (ASPx) is now faster but really not popular.

Database connectivity:
ASP works better with SQL Server and Access. I have not used it with MySQL,
because it does not make sense.
PHP works very very well with MySQL (PostGreSQL as well, but I know nobody
who uses it). It works fine with SQL Server and Access if you really really
want to use these database systems, but Access is slow. SQL Server is
costly.

Simply put:
If you have to use a Microsoft server, then use ASP/SQL Server.
If you have to use a Linux or BSD Server (or anything Unix), then use
PHP/MySQL.

I have 3 ASP clients and the three have a substential budget. They spend
hundreds of dollars a month just in hosting fees. Their databases are SQL
Server in the three cases.

All the others (a bunch) are PHP clients, people on a budget for the most
part, who don't care what solution is used as long as they have a nice Web
site with the bells and whistles that they need.

Windows hosting is now a lot more affordable (try Crystal Tech, for
instance -I have no stock), but really I would go PHP if I were you, because
as far as Web boards are concerned, you have some awesome products out
there, like PhpBB (Open License), vBulletins (OL), YABB (OL), Invision
(Paid), to name a few...

Nicolas Verhaeghe said the following on 28/09/2005 21:09:
>>Newbie here, and wondering which one would be the best to implicate a job
>>board? How do I go about putting up a job board?
>>
>>I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference? As a newbie
>>what
>>would be the easiest to start with?
>>I'm looking for a an easy cut and paste solution.
>
>
> Syntax:
> PHP is ... very compact and well organized.

LOL! ;)



--
Oli

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:09:12 -0700, "Nicolas Verhaeghe"
<nospam_nicver [at] yahoo.com_nospam> wrote:

>> Newbie here, and wondering which one would be the best to implicate a job
>> board? How do I go about putting up a job board?
>>
>> I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference? As a newbie
>> what
>> would be the easiest to start with?
>> I'm looking for a an easy cut and paste solution.
>>
>
>As a programmer who uses both languages, here is in a nutshell:
>
>Syntax:
>ASP is a Microsoft product based on the very ackward Visual Basic syntax
>(Example: If / End If).
>PHP is a C-Like, very compact and well organized. Some ackwardness, but it
>makes it more romantic ;)
>
>Hosting:
>ASP works better on Microsoft servers. There is a possibility to run ASP on
>Linux and BSD but I would not recommend, because of the fact that ASP relies
>a lot on external components that often come in the form of DLLs that you
>need to physically register on the server.
>PHP works fine on both environments but a Linux/BSD server will run your
>scripts faster than a Windows box because of the overhead (or lack thereof).
>
>Out the box solutions:
>Both languages are popular but PHP for some reason has more Open License
>solutions that you can implement for free or for a donation if you are a
>good guy (usually if your project makes you richer, you are supposed to give
>back).
>
>Toolbox:
>PHP can be easily installed with a very large number of tools such as image
>manipulation, upload, email, etc...
>ASP requires the registration of components to do that and very ackward
>object declarations. Most of these components are not free.
>
>Speed:
>ASP is very slow. Darn slow. Not suitable for traffics of thousands a day.
>Many ASP Web sites evolved towards either PHP or Dot Net when they became
>popular.
>PHP is way faster. Dot Net (ASPx) is now faster but really not popular.
>
>Database connectivity:
>ASP works better with SQL Server and Access. I have not used it with MySQL,
>because it does not make sense.
>PHP works very very well with MySQL (PostGreSQL as well, but I know nobody
>who uses it). It works fine with SQL Server and Access if you really really
>want to use these database systems, but Access is slow. SQL Server is
>costly.
>
>Simply put:
>If you have to use a Microsoft server, then use ASP/SQL Server.
>If you have to use a Linux or BSD Server (or anything Unix), then use
>PHP/MySQL.
>
>I have 3 ASP clients and the three have a substential budget. They spend
>hundreds of dollars a month just in hosting fees. Their databases are SQL
>Server in the three cases.
>
>All the others (a bunch) are PHP clients, people on a budget for the most
>part, who don't care what solution is used as long as they have a nice Web
>site with the bells and whistles that they need.
>
>Windows hosting is now a lot more affordable (try Crystal Tech, for
>instance -I have no stock), but really I would go PHP if I were you, because
>as far as Web boards are concerned, you have some awesome products out
>there, like PhpBB (Open License), vBulletins (OL), YABB (OL), Invision
>(Paid), to name a few...
>
>
Thank you for that. I have wondered quite often about the differences.

>>
>> Syntax:
>> PHP is ... very compact and well organized.
>
> LOL! ;)
>

Ok, it's not as compact as Perl.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:26:33 +0000, Corinne Stone wrote:

> I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference?

Platform, syntax, and price. PHP and ASP (and ColdFusion (does anyone
still use that?) and JSP and several other simialr tools) are functionally
equivalent.

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>
>> I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference?
>
> Platform, syntax, and price. PHP and ASP (and ColdFusion (does anyone
> still use that?) and JSP and several other simialr tools) are functionally
> equivalent.

CFM yeah there are still a few sites out there. I once tried to learn Cold
Fusion. I called them and asked for a developer version so I could look at
the language and learn it.

They have no developer edition. You need to pay hundreds before you know if
you like it or not.

At least Dot Net is free, you can create scripts in ASPx and VB7 is nothing
but a GUI that can make your work easier or not.

Corinne Stone wrote:
>
> Newbie here, and wondering which one would be the best to implicate
> a job board?

Either will do the job.

> How do I go about putting up a job board?

Ouch... Where do I even begin? At the beginning, I guess...
You need:

1. An account with a Web hosting company.
2. A domain name registrered to you (many hosting companies
provide this service, some for free, some for additional
fee). This is optional, but highly recommended if you
are serious about making your business work.
3. The actual job board software. Note that the language
in which it is written must be supported by your Web
hosting company. If the software has a database-driven
back end, the Web hosting company should have the database
engine required by your software.

Given your newbiness, you should consider hiring someone to do
technology buying and the initial setup for you. If you try
it yourself, there is every possibility that you'll go wrong
somewhere. At best, you'll feel confused and miserable. Worst
case scenario is that you will pay money for software and hosting
service that simply cannot work together.

> I've seen stuff for php and asp but what's the difference?

>From the non-technical standpoint, not many. Both are up to the
task; there may also be suitable products using other technologies
(Cold Fusion, JSP, and Perl are a few that come to mind).

Cheers,
NC

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:57:51 -0700, NC wrote:

> Worst
> case scenario is that you will pay money for software and hosting
> service that simply cannot work together.

Boy, have I seen that happen! More than $30k spent by
techno-know-nothings resulting in an ASP website that they wanted to run
on a LAMP server.

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