Our boss wants to send us to some training.

I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can some
of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good advanced
ASP.Net or C# training?

I own a technology training firm in the Northeast
(http://TechTrainSolutions.com) and can tell you that there are many factors
that go into a really good learning experience.

You should start by telling us where you are and how much your training
budget is.

-Scott


"Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DB29E373-41A2-4814-AB7B-98B818B0FD59 [at] microsoft.com...
> Our boss wants to send us to some training.
>
> I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can
> some
> of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good
> advanced
> ASP.Net or C# training?

What are you trying to do or learn, as that has to form the basis of
identifying a course type and thus a provider

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog


"Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DB29E373-41A2-4814-AB7B-98B818B0FD59 [at] microsoft.com...
> Our boss wants to send us to some training.
>
> I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can
> some
> of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good
> advanced
> ASP.Net or C# training?

I am looking to bridge the gap from being pretty good, which I think I am, to
being real good. I'd like a course, that will present many advanced concepts
that I can take with me and build on that knowledge.

Here are two such courses that I am wondering if they may do that.

http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /ASPNET-20-Programming-for-Experienced-C-Programmers-9457.ht m

http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /Advanced-C-Programming-with-the-NET-20-Framework-9462.htm


"John Timney (MVP)" wrote:

> What are you trying to do or learn, as that has to form the basis of
> identifying a course type and thus a provider
>
> --
> --
> Regards
>
> John Timney (MVP)
> http://www.johntimney.com
> http://www.johntimney.com/blog
>
>
> "Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:DB29E373-41A2-4814-AB7B-98B818B0FD59 [at] microsoft.com...
> > Our boss wants to send us to some training.
> >
> > I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can
> > some
> > of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good
> > advanced
> > ASP.Net or C# training?
>
>
>

I dont think you can learn to be real good from a course, either you can
program or you can't and a course will enahnce your exisitng skills or teach
you new approaches. The difference between a good programmer and a real
good one tend to be experience based ie. in how wide your skills are in
interconnected areas that a project might require, asp.net developers these
days require knowledge of the framework, controls, themses, skins and how to
query a database. A more experienced developer (perhaps a real good one)
will have all the skills of a typical programmer plus Ajax, WWF, Databases,
Silverlight, Streaming and Webservices for example.

You need to decide what exactly it is that you feel you are missing from
your technical arsenal and focus on that. I'll give you an example, I'm a
fairly good all rounder and a very deep MOSS architect - but I need to learn
more about Windows Workflow Foundation to understand how hard it will be for
a developer to take on workflow development within Sharepoint. If I was
looking for a course, I might look at that. Hence training can normally be
task specific in relation to what your trying to achieve. So will an
advanced course on C++ give you the next step in building your own technical
arsenal.

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
http://www.johntimney.com/blog


"Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:54173360-768A-4276-9A05-99328E5A1CF3 [at] microsoft.com...
>I am looking to bridge the gap from being pretty good, which I think I am,
>to
> being real good. I'd like a course, that will present many advanced
> concepts
> that I can take with me and build on that knowledge.
>
> Here are two such courses that I am wondering if they may do that.
>
> http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /ASPNET-20-Programming-for-Experienced-C-Programmers-9457.ht m
>
> http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /Advanced-C-Programming-with-the-NET-20-Framework-9462.htm
>
>
> "John Timney (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> What are you trying to do or learn, as that has to form the basis of
>> identifying a course type and thus a provider
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> John Timney (MVP)
>> http://www.johntimney.com
>> http://www.johntimney.com/blog
>>
>>
>> "Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:DB29E373-41A2-4814-AB7B-98B818B0FD59 [at] microsoft.com...
>> > Our boss wants to send us to some training.
>> >
>> > I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can
>> > some
>> > of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good
>> > advanced
>> > ASP.Net or C# training?
>>
>>
>>

If you last sentence was a question, then, I think it will help. The way I
look at is, there are technologies that I do not use because I do not know
they are available. And that is what I would think an advanced course in C#
would help me.

Good insight though...thanks a lot.

"John Timney (MVP)" wrote:

> I dont think you can learn to be real good from a course, either you can
> program or you can't and a course will enahnce your exisitng skills or teach
> you new approaches. The difference between a good programmer and a real
> good one tend to be experience based ie. in how wide your skills are in
> interconnected areas that a project might require, asp.net developers these
> days require knowledge of the framework, controls, themses, skins and how to
> query a database. A more experienced developer (perhaps a real good one)
> will have all the skills of a typical programmer plus Ajax, WWF, Databases,
> Silverlight, Streaming and Webservices for example.
>
> You need to decide what exactly it is that you feel you are missing from
> your technical arsenal and focus on that. I'll give you an example, I'm a
> fairly good all rounder and a very deep MOSS architect - but I need to learn
> more about Windows Workflow Foundation to understand how hard it will be for
> a developer to take on workflow development within Sharepoint. If I was
> looking for a course, I might look at that. Hence training can normally be
> task specific in relation to what your trying to achieve. So will an
> advanced course on C++ give you the next step in building your own technical
> arsenal.
>
> Regards
>
> John Timney (MVP)
> http://www.johntimney.com
> http://www.johntimney.com/blog
>
>
> "Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:54173360-768A-4276-9A05-99328E5A1CF3 [at] microsoft.com...
> >I am looking to bridge the gap from being pretty good, which I think I am,
> >to
> > being real good. I'd like a course, that will present many advanced
> > concepts
> > that I can take with me and build on that knowledge.
> >
> > Here are two such courses that I am wondering if they may do that.
> >
> > http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /ASPNET-20-Programming-for-Experienced-C-Programmers-9457.ht m
> >
> > http://www.trainup.com/Information-Technology-Training/C-C++ /Advanced-C-Programming-with-the-NET-20-Framework-9462.htm
> >
> >
> > "John Timney (MVP)" wrote:
> >
> >> What are you trying to do or learn, as that has to form the basis of
> >> identifying a course type and thus a provider
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> John Timney (MVP)
> >> http://www.johntimney.com
> >> http://www.johntimney.com/blog
> >>
> >>
> >> "Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:DB29E373-41A2-4814-AB7B-98B818B0FD59 [at] microsoft.com...
> >> > Our boss wants to send us to some training.
> >> >
> >> > I want to be able to change my name from "Wannabe" to "Knowitall". Can
> >> > some
> >> > of you smart people suggest places where I can go to get real good
> >> > advanced
> >> > ASP.Net or C# training?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

"Wannabe" <Wannabe [at] discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1D6B4E84-9678-4A73-9F7F-55609B51C005 [at] microsoft.com...

> an advanced course in C#

I would agree with John Timney in that, IMO, there is no such thing as an
"advanced course" in programming - all they can do is teach you the syntax,
after which it's down to you to gain experience in the real world.

Certainly, if I was looking for an "advanced" programmer, an advanced
training course certificate would be the absolute last thing I'd be
interested in...

I remember many years ago being asked to sit in on a so-called advanced VB
training course where all we learned to do was to write a simple app which
converted Celsius to Fahrenheit...


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

> I would agree with John Timney in that, IMO, there is no such thing as an
> "advanced course" in programming - all they can do is teach you the
> syntax, after which it's down to you to gain experience in the real world.

I'm not sure that's what John said and I'd take great exception to the
statement overall. While I certainly agree that you'll never become a guru
from taking a course. If done right, you'll get a lot more out of a class
than just syntax. The best instructors are those that also use the
technology they teach and thus, have experience that can't be gained from
just reading a manual. Those instructors will bring that experience into
the classroom and convey the "why" as much as the "how". And, honestly,
haven't we all found ourselves in situations where we get something to work,
but don't necessarially understand "why" it works"?

-Scott
http://TechTrainSolutions.com